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RE: DNA Test.[no subject]
Author:
Sue Ch
on 21/10/2005 16:12:55 (1898 hits)
Indeed, Captain. The only way to prove one way or the other. Why is Emma so totally convinced that Ed is the father - didn't she and Will get together at all in the significant period? and if that's the case why didn't Will (who is after all marginally brighter than Em) ever query whether he was George's father??
Emm-ur (and the scripties) are SO getting on my nerves at the moment.
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RE: DNA Test.[no subject]
Author:
jeffreybailey2
on 21/10/2005 16:16:14 (1888 hits)
Indeed what if neither Will nor Ed is the father!? That would be an interesting plot.
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RE: DNA Test.
Author:
Wally4
on 21/10/2005 16:30:35 (1884 hits)
It can be as short as two or three weeks between taking the samples (mouth swabs from baby and alleged father) and getting the result. It wouldn't matter in this case whether Ed or Will gave the sample - assuming she has slept only with these two. One imagines the idea will have to be sold to Emma, as her co-operation would be essential re George's sample.
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RE: DNA Test.
Author:
Lonewolf
on 23/10/2005 22:00:15 (1825 hits)
Knowing a little about DNA (from a required part of my university course) I am wondering how much the fact that Ed and Will are brothers will cloud the issue. Their DNA will certainly be similar and I'm not sure how accurate the test is to that degree.
Wolfie
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RE: DNA Test.
Author:
Sue Ch
on 24/10/2005 10:09:42 (1812 hits)
According to Google: A child inherits half of its DNA from each parent. No two people in the world have exactly the same DNA except genetically identical twins.
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RE: DNA Test.
Author:
Lonewolf
on 24/10/2005 22:08:14 (1794 hits)
Yes, but whats to say that both bairns got similar halves. And they also pass on half their DNA to child, so the child will have 1 quarter each of Eddie and Clarry Grundy whatever way round and its not that exact.
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RE: DNA Test.
Author:
Lonewolf
on 25/10/2005 14:37:02 (1777 hits)
Reading that in the bright light of day, I should maybe make myself a bit clearer.
When a baby is conceived, it gets a set of chromosomes from each parent. These two sets mingle and then separate in a process called meiosis. HOWEVER, ONLY one of the two (rearranged) sets is expressed. One is called recessive (and lurks, a bit like carrying an ilness, but not actually having the illness) and the other goes on to become the DNA for the individual, comprising one half from each parent. The process is random, except in the case of sex linked genes ie the genes that share the chromosome that dictates sex. When you have a second child, the process is repeated, also randomly. With no bearing on the previous child.
Thus your two children could be very alike, like one or other parent, or they could be totally different.
Now, when THEY reproduce, the same thing happens. So your grandchild has one half of your family's DNA, and one half of the other partners family, AND ITS DNA IS ALSO UNIQUE ie not exactly the same as mother or father.
So as I recall the best a DNA test can do is say that a child is definitely not yours, ie theres NO recognisable DNA there. Where the possible fathers are related, especially as closely as brothers, I don't think it can be exact enough to differentiate. Unless either of them has some particularly outstanding genetic anamoly such as Downs Syndrome, and even then it could come from further back in the family, ie if Joes dad had it, Will does and Ed doesn't, the fact that George has it is still not proof that Will is the father, because Ed could still have the gene although recessive.
That was done from memory, so please feel free to correct, although I'm pretty sure its about right.
Lonewolf.
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RE: DNA Test.
Author:
Wally4
on 25/10/2005 16:11:51 (1765 hits)
Should be interesting then, to see how the story pans out. Of course, this is Ambridge, don't forget.
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RE: DNA Test.
Author:
Denny
on 25/10/2005 16:15:43 (1764 hits)
Though, Ed and Will as brothers have the same parents and therefore will probably share some alleles at some loci, their genetic profiles will still be unique. In DNA tests many loci are examined. The probability that they would pass on the same alleles at each locus would be astronomical. In other words, there must be at
least one locus in which only one brother could have passed on the genetic information found in the child, thereby eliminating the other brother as being the father. We just need to wait for the test and all will be revealed.
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RE: DNA Test.
Author:
Ella
on 25/10/2005 19:25:23 (1754 hits)
Well - I'm impressed by the scientific information, there must be many a woman shaking in her boots I should think if she's been hiding a dark secret for many years.
Let's step up to the plate. Who's the daddy? Name your suspect.
I think it's Will.
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RE: DNA Test.
Author:
Wally4
on 25/10/2005 20:13:58 (1751 hits)
Today, 30% of DNA paternity tests, nearly one in three, prove that the man involved is not the father of the child in question. Currently more than 300,000 such tests are done each year. Since it is unlikely that these paternity tests were done without an underlying reason, almost certainly involving payment of child support, there are thus over 90,000 men who have been falsely accused of paternity each year. [http://www.ummah.net/forum/showthread.php?t=34585]
I think it'll be Will - but that doesn't mean he'll get his son back.
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RE: DNA Test.
Author:
Ella
on 26/10/2005 09:39:28 (1725 hits)
I thought the law was more equal these days, surely if Will is the father and he's also the innocent party and has a job and a home, he would be well placed to win at least joint if not total custody? Plus surely it's more likely that Emmur is the one who might do a moonlight flit taking the baby with her and surely the law would take that into account?
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RE: DNA Test.
Author:
Wally4
on 26/10/2005 10:14:14 (1717 hits)
Does not the law put the welfare of the child first? In which case, with Will working all hours and Emma at home all day (putting the issue of the caravan to one side) mum wins custody and dad gets access. Will gets a letter from the CSA and Emma has a meal ticket for the next twenty years (assuming George does uni) backdated to when she bogged off.
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Title:
RE: DNA Test.
Author:
Sue Ch
on 26/10/2005 11:40:06 (1712 hits)
Wasn't Emm having a bit of a thing with Kenton a while ago? Kenton for the daddy?
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Title:
RE: DNA Test.
Author:
Lonewolf
on 26/10/2005 16:55:22 (1689 hits)
That Wally is why I am hoping that the child IS Eds.
Not only would Will have discovered he's married a lying, cheating, thick, selfish tart, he'll find himself paying for the pleasure.
Summat wrong with the law methinks.
Wolfie.
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RE: DNA Test.(spoiler)
Author:
Denny
on 26/10/2005 20:33:15 (1673 hits)
I'm still screaming at the radio after hearing that she now wants Will to pay for the pleasure of taking a DNA test. How could she? How could she? Wicked Minx.
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RE: DNA Test.(spoiler)
Author:
Sue Ch
on 27/10/2005 14:03:56 (1636 hits)
I still dream Kenton's the father. That would be FANTASTIC - if it's neither Ed nor Will-yum whereupon Em has to own up to the swift canoodle she had with K when she was working at Jax.
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RE: DNA Test.(spoiler)
Author:
Ella
on 27/10/2005 16:08:03 (1626 hits)
Agree Denny - the gal just takes the biscuit!
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Title:
RE: DNA Test.(spoiler)
Author:
Bluebell
on 27/10/2005 16:24:33 (1618 hits)
I think George is Will's.
While it would be satisfying to hear Emma having to face up to the fact that wanting George to be Ed's to fit in with her picture of forever, doesn't necessarily make it so, I'm dreading her coldly taking poor Will for everything she can get.
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RE: DNA Test.
Author:
orson cartier
on 28/10/2005 09:28:17 (1528 hits)
Do you know what I agree with you Lonewolf. Much better Will gets away without more pain.... and payment. It'll be quicker for him (and us) this way. Got a feeling it is going to be Will's - poor man.
Did you read the Telegraph this week?
They carried an Article on Archers which had this in it.......
"………Then there is the question of whether the DNA test will be able to establish paternity given that they are brothers. Yes, say some, no say others, all advancing their own genetic theories.
For the definitive answer The Daily Telegraph turned to Prof John Burns, a clinical geneticist at the University of Newcastle. "There's no difficulty in testing between brothers," he assured us. "Basically brothers will share half of their genes in common and so the markers that we use for paternity testing are sufficient to discriminate. Unless we are dealing with identical twins……."
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Title:
RE: DNA Test.
Author:
Ella
on 28/10/2005 09:55:39 (1525 hits)
That's it then - the test will definitely tell us all the answer. Still think it will be Will.
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RE: DNA Test.
Author:
vicky
on 28/10/2005 17:36:07 (1494 hits)
I think Will will be the father too. I don't remember anything between Emma and Kenton.
Vicky
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Title:
RE: DNA Test.
Author:
Wally4
on 28/10/2005 18:01:27 (1488 hits)
Kenton was never that much of a rotter, take advantage of a young girl, an employee too. Smacks of droit de seigneur (sp?) or something. He and emma liked each other and got on well. She was an asset to the business; he made that clear the other day in the Bull. Nah, I don't buy it either. It's Will's baby, mark my words.
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